I wasn't able to make it to the marathon (10.5 hours) hearing yesterday on whether the City Council should overturn voter-imposed term limits. (Heck, I wouldn't have gotten in, unless I came way late.) Still, thanks to the New York Times's extensive live-blogging (evening and afternoon), there were definitely some Atlantic Yards references (and perhaps more than reported).
That makes sense, because, as I wrote yesterday, Bloomberg's effort, like Atlantic Yards, is a backroom deal that has generated much outrage. NY reported that 75 percent of those polled favor a referendum, rather than a Council vote.
(Photos by Michael D.D. White. The Times has video, with Mario Cuomo, Letitia James, and especially Charles Barron.)
The fundamental lie
First, let's remember that the move to get Bloomberg a third term began well before the financial crisis. The Times's article today summarized the issue:
For more than nine hours, the hearing returned repeatedly to a single point of dispute: Those backing the mayor say the Wall Street crisis creates an extraordinary situation that warrants revising term limits so Mr. Bloomberg can remain in office and manage the cityās finances. Those opposed say the economic distress is a convenient excuse for a power grab by a billionaire with contempt for the democratic process.
However, it's not a matter of dispute. As the New York Post reported in a 7/27/08 article headlined BIGS BACK LAW CHANGE TO KEEP MIKE:
Kathryn Wylde, president of the Partnership for New York City, said the business world considers Bloomberg its "first choice" and is primed to forge plans to help him after the presidential election.
"That's when they will look seriously at the candidates out there and determine whether or not they think an effort to change term limits is plausible," she said.
Council Member Charles Barron also had a retort yesterday (as reported on the Times's CityRoom blog, source of most of the paragraphs below):
Mr. Felder tried to cut off Mr. Barron, but Mr. Barron was undeterred. āIt was under Mayor Bloomberg ā under his watch, that Wall Street collapsed,ā Mr. Barron continued, adding, āIf heās so sharp, a big-time businessman, why didnāt he foresee this?ā he asked of the crisis. āNot only did he not foresee it, what he did was come in and cut this budget. Heās closed down seniorsā centers and youth centers. He robbed the poor and gave to the rich. And youāre going to push Bloomberg on us.ā
Dismissing the public
Bloomberg, according to the AP, waved off the opposition:
At a separate news conference Thursday, he dismissed the opposition as a "handful of people" who manage to seem like a bigger group because of their determination and organization.
That's even less plausible than Bruce Ratner saying, upon the unveling of the Atlantic Yards project in December 2003, "I have never, ever seen a project get less protest than this."
Rent-a-crowd
A delicious detail; the room filled up with Bloomberg supporters, who wouldn't say anything to the press about who they were or who organized them. The AP reported: The mayor didn't deny that his people were paid, but a spokesman said later that all the supporters who were urged to attend on the mayor's behalf were recruited as volunteers.
In the Times, columnist Clyde Haberman wrote:
The room was packed with spectators. Dozens of seats were filled with people carrying green signs bearing slogans like āDemocrats for Choices: Extend Term Limits.ā They were on the mayorās side. (Essentially, he and his minions assert that by taking away the peopleās right to decide the future of term limits, they are actually increasing the votersā ballot options in next yearās municipal elections. In other words, less choice means more choice. Orwell, anyone?)
The sign holders resisted efforts to find out who they were and why they had gone to City Hall. Everything about them screamed rent-a-crowd.
And Council Member Letitia James, a lawyer by training, impeached the absent witness, according to the Times:
Councilwoman Letitia James, who supports a public referendum on the matter, quoted the journalist Edward R. Murrow as saying, āA nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.ā
She added forcefully, āāIt would be an absolute disgrace to go around the public will.ā Those are not my words. Those are the words of Mayor Bloomberg in 2005.ā
(Graphic from New York Post. Click to enlarge.)
Daily News columnist Juan Gonzalez took on the curious logic that a City Council vote would be more democratic than a referendum:
Bloomberg would have us believe the votes of hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers are less "representative" than that of 51 councilmembers, who also happen to be voting to extend their terms.
"Shotgun marriage"
The woman who launched the fight against Atlantic Yards, via the Prospect Heights Action Coalition, got a chance to speak only late in the evening, on the last panel:
Patti Hagan of Brooklyn thanked the Council, sarcastically, for holding āa shotgun hearing on the just-announced shotgun marriage of Bloomberg and Quinn.ā She said she joined her representative, Councilwoman Letitia James, āin opposition to the Bloomberg and Quinn nuptials.ā She described a ājuntaā of wealthy executives and officials that included Daniel L. Doctoroff, Steven Ross, Stephen M. Roth, and Bruce C. Ratner.
Also testifying was a member of the Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn advisory board:
Christabel Gough of Greenwich Village. She urged the Council to reject the mayorās proposal. The Councilās power to amend the Charter, she said, was ānever intendedā to be used to āthwart the will of the voters.ā She accused the mayor of exacerbating the real estate bubble through zoning and economic development policies that she said have displaced middle- and working-class people. She accused the mayor of āreckless disregard for people with modest means.ā
CBA supporters:
One moment sounded a bit like August 2006, time of the AY public hearing:
Marie Louis, a Brooklyn resident, began by thanking Jesus. āOur city and nation are in financial and economic crisis,ā she said. āWe should have the option of re-electing a proven effective, independent and experienced leader like Michael Bloomberg, as well as Speaker Quinn and many in the City Council.ā
Ms. Louis praised the mayorās PlaNYC environmental initiative and spoke favorably about the community benefits agreement arranged for the Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn.
That would be Marie Louis of Community Benefits Agreement signatory BUILD (Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development), funded in part by Forest City Ratner (though not nearly to the $5 million level once hoped).
The Atlantic Yards CBA, of course, has nothing to do with Mayor Bloomberg or the City Council, though CBAs elsewhere, such as Los Angeles, have been ratified by the City Council, which implies greater oversight and enforceability. While Bloomberg appeared at the AY CBA signing event, he was a witness only. (Note that the claim that $3.5 billion--now $4 billion--would be "coming to our community" is hardly accurate.)
Also testifying was BUILD CEO James Caldwell:
James Caldwell was the first up. āI support Mayor Bloombergās proposal to extend term limits,ā he said. The proposal was not an effort to āharbor political power,ā he said, adding, āThe financial crisis of our times calls for an individual equipped with the business skills and credentials that our current mayor possesses and offers.ā
Process issues
AY opponent Michael White had a neat moment:
Michael D. D. White, a lawyer who blogs at The Huffington Post, was the next up.
Referring to the two-minute limit on testimony, he said, āIād like to have my limits extended to five minutes, please.ā When Mr. Felder politely declined, Mr. White said, āYou donāt like the rules being changed in the middle of the game.ā That retort prompted applause from several of the remaining audience members ā there are a few dozen now, down from hundreds earlier.
Would you believe that horse-drawn carriages got more democracy?
Ben Haber said it was a disgrace for the council to hold just two days of hearings on term limits. By comparison, the body held nine hearings on horse-drawn carriages, he said. āWhat is your objection to a referendum?ā he asked. āAre you afraid you wonāt win? The fix is in here, and itās terrible.
Former Parks Department head and City Council Member Henry Stern, now of NY Civic, was dismayed:
āI must say this current action shocks meā more than any other public dispute over the years, he said. Mr. Stern said āthere is a very good argument for three terms instead of two,ā but that for the Council acting on its own seemed like āa putschā and āsleazy.ā
Bloomberg's power
White, in a post on his Noticing New York blog, noted that Bloomberg has amassed significant influence through charitable contributions. (Testifying at right is Susan Freedman of the Public Art Fund, one of those Bloomberg backers.)
Others picked it up, including the most prominent elected official opposing Atlantic Yards:
Councilwoman Letitia James, Democrat of Brooklyn, who has emerged as one of the most eloquent opponents of the mayorās plan to change term limits, said that the mayor had shown unprecedented personal charity and generosity to nonprofit groups that serve the poor, but said that some charities had become ādependentā on that largess. She reiterated her point that no one is indispensable, however, and cited several policy areas ā including food stamps ā where, she argued, that Bloomberg administration has not made things easier for poor people.
AY opponent Jim Vogel (whose name the Times misspelled) of the Council of Brooklyn Neighborhoods also picked up the issue:
Next up: James Vogul. āThis method of altering term limits is another method of warping our system,ā he said. He said that the mayorās personal contributions to philanthropies and agencies ā many of which also receive city financing ā had warped the public discourse. āNo wonder thereās a Hallelujah chorus weāve seen tonight, calling for an extension,ā he said, suggesting that some of the witnesses who testified in support of extending term limits did so because their organizations received financing from the mayor.
Vogel, yes, mentioned Atlantic Yards in the testimony he sent me:
āMayor Bloomberg has never been very big on the will of the voters. Within 2 weeks of being sworn into his first administration he said he felt New York Cityās building review process was onerous and that he would do all in his power to get around it. The results are all around us: a deadly joke of a Buildings Department; cranes falling on citizens; eminent domain abuse; how many millions in unnecessary subsidies to builders, like Atlantic Yards; holes in the ground that will be with us for decades; millions of square feet of unnecessary and unoccupied office space. But heās a big picture guy who must have seen this coming. During his administration manufacturing and light industry were further driven from the city to make way for real estate development. The City budget became even more dependent on real estate, financial services, and Wall Street. And now weāre crippled. Yeah, good job on that economy!ā
More AY opponents
The Times's coverage didn't say whether they spoke against Atlantic Yards, but I know these two speakers are AY opponents:
Schellie Hagan [sister of Patti], a constituent of Councilwoman Letitia James, whom she called āLetitia Braveheart James.ā She said that Speaker Quinn and Mayor Bloomberg had engaged in an unseemly āpas de deux.ā
Helois Greenberg [actually: Heloise Gruneberg], with an organization called Brooklyn Vision, said the only legitimate way to change term limits would be through another popular vote.
Development questions
The issue of development came up:
A man named Bo Samajopoulos took a different point of view, saying Mayor Bloombergās administration had resulted in āuncontrolled developmentā;
Union officials, supporters of AY, thought differently:
Gary La Barbera, president of the New York City Central Labor Council and president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council 16 and Local 282, led the second panel. He invoked the economic crisis. Mr. La Barbera said that changing the law was not an endorsement of any particular candidate but merely a way to āgive voters the option of supporting the same elected officialsā who have āmade New York City a great place to work and visit.ā
Edward J. Malloy, president of the New York State Building and Construction Trades Council of the A.F.L.-C.I.O., said the āunexpected challengesā of today mean that the public should be āallowed to re-elect the mayor, comptroller, public advocate, borough presidents and members of the Council.ā Mr. Malloy said the ādemocratic principles underlying our local government will remain strongā if the Council votes to change the term limits law, as it has the authority to do.
Yassky decides?
Did the uncommitted Brooklyn Council Member David Yassky take a stand? The Times reported:
Responding to Councilman David Yassky, a Brooklyn Democrat, who called the proposed term limits change ācorrosiveā to democracy, Mr. Koch disagreed.
An echo from AY?
And what about this chap:
Next up: a man wearing sunglasses and identifying himself only as Mr. X. He appeared to suggest that term limits should apply nationally.
That must have been the inimitable William Stanford, aka "Mr. X."

(Photos by Michael D.D. White. The Times has video, with Mario Cuomo, Letitia James, and especially Charles Barron.)
The fundamental lie
First, let's remember that the move to get Bloomberg a third term began well before the financial crisis. The Times's article today summarized the issue:
For more than nine hours, the hearing returned repeatedly to a single point of dispute: Those backing the mayor say the Wall Street crisis creates an extraordinary situation that warrants revising term limits so Mr. Bloomberg can remain in office and manage the cityās finances. Those opposed say the economic distress is a convenient excuse for a power grab by a billionaire with contempt for the democratic process.
However, it's not a matter of dispute. As the New York Post reported in a 7/27/08 article headlined BIGS BACK LAW CHANGE TO KEEP MIKE:
Kathryn Wylde, president of the Partnership for New York City, said the business world considers Bloomberg its "first choice" and is primed to forge plans to help him after the presidential election.
"That's when they will look seriously at the candidates out there and determine whether or not they think an effort to change term limits is plausible," she said.
Council Member Charles Barron also had a retort yesterday (as reported on the Times's CityRoom blog, source of most of the paragraphs below):
Mr. Felder tried to cut off Mr. Barron, but Mr. Barron was undeterred. āIt was under Mayor Bloomberg ā under his watch, that Wall Street collapsed,ā Mr. Barron continued, adding, āIf heās so sharp, a big-time businessman, why didnāt he foresee this?ā he asked of the crisis. āNot only did he not foresee it, what he did was come in and cut this budget. Heās closed down seniorsā centers and youth centers. He robbed the poor and gave to the rich. And youāre going to push Bloomberg on us.ā
Dismissing the public
Bloomberg, according to the AP, waved off the opposition:
At a separate news conference Thursday, he dismissed the opposition as a "handful of people" who manage to seem like a bigger group because of their determination and organization.
That's even less plausible than Bruce Ratner saying, upon the unveling of the Atlantic Yards project in December 2003, "I have never, ever seen a project get less protest than this."
Rent-a-crowd
A delicious detail; the room filled up with Bloomberg supporters, who wouldn't say anything to the press about who they were or who organized them. The AP reported: The mayor didn't deny that his people were paid, but a spokesman said later that all the supporters who were urged to attend on the mayor's behalf were recruited as volunteers.
In the Times, columnist Clyde Haberman wrote:
The room was packed with spectators. Dozens of seats were filled with people carrying green signs bearing slogans like āDemocrats for Choices: Extend Term Limits.ā They were on the mayorās side. (Essentially, he and his minions assert that by taking away the peopleās right to decide the future of term limits, they are actually increasing the votersā ballot options in next yearās municipal elections. In other words, less choice means more choice. Orwell, anyone?)
The sign holders resisted efforts to find out who they were and why they had gone to City Hall. Everything about them screamed rent-a-crowd.
Councilwoman Letitia James, who supports a public referendum on the matter, quoted the journalist Edward R. Murrow as saying, āA nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.ā
She added forcefully, āāIt would be an absolute disgrace to go around the public will.ā Those are not my words. Those are the words of Mayor Bloomberg in 2005.ā
(Graphic from New York Post. Click to enlarge.)
Daily News columnist Juan Gonzalez took on the curious logic that a City Council vote would be more democratic than a referendum:
Bloomberg would have us believe the votes of hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers are less "representative" than that of 51 councilmembers, who also happen to be voting to extend their terms.
"Shotgun marriage"
The woman who launched the fight against Atlantic Yards, via the Prospect Heights Action Coalition, got a chance to speak only late in the evening, on the last panel:
Patti Hagan of Brooklyn thanked the Council, sarcastically, for holding āa shotgun hearing on the just-announced shotgun marriage of Bloomberg and Quinn.ā She said she joined her representative, Councilwoman Letitia James, āin opposition to the Bloomberg and Quinn nuptials.ā She described a ājuntaā of wealthy executives and officials that included Daniel L. Doctoroff, Steven Ross, Stephen M. Roth, and Bruce C. Ratner.
Also testifying was a member of the Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn advisory board:
Christabel Gough of Greenwich Village. She urged the Council to reject the mayorās proposal. The Councilās power to amend the Charter, she said, was ānever intendedā to be used to āthwart the will of the voters.ā She accused the mayor of exacerbating the real estate bubble through zoning and economic development policies that she said have displaced middle- and working-class people. She accused the mayor of āreckless disregard for people with modest means.ā
CBA supporters:
One moment sounded a bit like August 2006, time of the AY public hearing:
Marie Louis, a Brooklyn resident, began by thanking Jesus. āOur city and nation are in financial and economic crisis,ā she said. āWe should have the option of re-electing a proven effective, independent and experienced leader like Michael Bloomberg, as well as Speaker Quinn and many in the City Council.ā

That would be Marie Louis of Community Benefits Agreement signatory BUILD (Brooklyn United for Innovative Local Development), funded in part by Forest City Ratner (though not nearly to the $5 million level once hoped).
The Atlantic Yards CBA, of course, has nothing to do with Mayor Bloomberg or the City Council, though CBAs elsewhere, such as Los Angeles, have been ratified by the City Council, which implies greater oversight and enforceability. While Bloomberg appeared at the AY CBA signing event, he was a witness only. (Note that the claim that $3.5 billion--now $4 billion--would be "coming to our community" is hardly accurate.)
Also testifying was BUILD CEO James Caldwell:
James Caldwell was the first up. āI support Mayor Bloombergās proposal to extend term limits,ā he said. The proposal was not an effort to āharbor political power,ā he said, adding, āThe financial crisis of our times calls for an individual equipped with the business skills and credentials that our current mayor possesses and offers.ā
Process issues
AY opponent Michael White had a neat moment:
Michael D. D. White, a lawyer who blogs at The Huffington Post, was the next up.
Referring to the two-minute limit on testimony, he said, āIād like to have my limits extended to five minutes, please.ā When Mr. Felder politely declined, Mr. White said, āYou donāt like the rules being changed in the middle of the game.ā That retort prompted applause from several of the remaining audience members ā there are a few dozen now, down from hundreds earlier.
Would you believe that horse-drawn carriages got more democracy?
Ben Haber said it was a disgrace for the council to hold just two days of hearings on term limits. By comparison, the body held nine hearings on horse-drawn carriages, he said. āWhat is your objection to a referendum?ā he asked. āAre you afraid you wonāt win? The fix is in here, and itās terrible.
Former Parks Department head and City Council Member Henry Stern, now of NY Civic, was dismayed:
āI must say this current action shocks meā more than any other public dispute over the years, he said. Mr. Stern said āthere is a very good argument for three terms instead of two,ā but that for the Council acting on its own seemed like āa putschā and āsleazy.ā
Bloomberg's power

Others picked it up, including the most prominent elected official opposing Atlantic Yards:
Councilwoman Letitia James, Democrat of Brooklyn, who has emerged as one of the most eloquent opponents of the mayorās plan to change term limits, said that the mayor had shown unprecedented personal charity and generosity to nonprofit groups that serve the poor, but said that some charities had become ādependentā on that largess. She reiterated her point that no one is indispensable, however, and cited several policy areas ā including food stamps ā where, she argued, that Bloomberg administration has not made things easier for poor people.
AY opponent Jim Vogel (whose name the Times misspelled) of the Council of Brooklyn Neighborhoods also picked up the issue:
Next up: James Vogul. āThis method of altering term limits is another method of warping our system,ā he said. He said that the mayorās personal contributions to philanthropies and agencies ā many of which also receive city financing ā had warped the public discourse. āNo wonder thereās a Hallelujah chorus weāve seen tonight, calling for an extension,ā he said, suggesting that some of the witnesses who testified in support of extending term limits did so because their organizations received financing from the mayor.
Vogel, yes, mentioned Atlantic Yards in the testimony he sent me:
āMayor Bloomberg has never been very big on the will of the voters. Within 2 weeks of being sworn into his first administration he said he felt New York Cityās building review process was onerous and that he would do all in his power to get around it. The results are all around us: a deadly joke of a Buildings Department; cranes falling on citizens; eminent domain abuse; how many millions in unnecessary subsidies to builders, like Atlantic Yards; holes in the ground that will be with us for decades; millions of square feet of unnecessary and unoccupied office space. But heās a big picture guy who must have seen this coming. During his administration manufacturing and light industry were further driven from the city to make way for real estate development. The City budget became even more dependent on real estate, financial services, and Wall Street. And now weāre crippled. Yeah, good job on that economy!ā
More AY opponents
The Times's coverage didn't say whether they spoke against Atlantic Yards, but I know these two speakers are AY opponents:
Schellie Hagan [sister of Patti], a constituent of Councilwoman Letitia James, whom she called āLetitia Braveheart James.ā She said that Speaker Quinn and Mayor Bloomberg had engaged in an unseemly āpas de deux.ā
Helois Greenberg [actually: Heloise Gruneberg], with an organization called Brooklyn Vision, said the only legitimate way to change term limits would be through another popular vote.
Development questions
The issue of development came up:
A man named Bo Samajopoulos took a different point of view, saying Mayor Bloombergās administration had resulted in āuncontrolled developmentā;
Union officials, supporters of AY, thought differently:
Gary La Barbera, president of the New York City Central Labor Council and president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council 16 and Local 282, led the second panel. He invoked the economic crisis. Mr. La Barbera said that changing the law was not an endorsement of any particular candidate but merely a way to āgive voters the option of supporting the same elected officialsā who have āmade New York City a great place to work and visit.ā
Edward J. Malloy, president of the New York State Building and Construction Trades Council of the A.F.L.-C.I.O., said the āunexpected challengesā of today mean that the public should be āallowed to re-elect the mayor, comptroller, public advocate, borough presidents and members of the Council.ā Mr. Malloy said the ādemocratic principles underlying our local government will remain strongā if the Council votes to change the term limits law, as it has the authority to do.
Yassky decides?
Did the uncommitted Brooklyn Council Member David Yassky take a stand? The Times reported:
Responding to Councilman David Yassky, a Brooklyn Democrat, who called the proposed term limits change ācorrosiveā to democracy, Mr. Koch disagreed.
An echo from AY?
And what about this chap:
Next up: a man wearing sunglasses and identifying himself only as Mr. X. He appeared to suggest that term limits should apply nationally.
That must have been the inimitable William Stanford, aka "Mr. X."
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